Phasing and summoning sickness

[Torgeist]

Hi all,

I have a question regarding phasing. Say I cheat a phyrexian dreadnought into play by phasing it out in response to it's come-into-play effect; when it phases in next turn, is it still affected by summoning sickness or not?

regards,

David

[cdr]

Phasing doesn't have any effect on "summoning sickness" and never has.

[(nameless one)]

When a creature phases out, it is still considered being on the battlefield (albeit its still phased out).

So really, when a creature phases back in, it will never have summoning sickness.

[lebarion]

Although I though that the phased out Phyrexian Dreadnought would not be affected by summoning sickness when it phases in, after being phased out by Vision Charm right after it's been summoned, the rules seems to say the opposite:

# 702.23d - The phasing event doesn't actually cause a permanent to change zones or control, even though it's treated as though it's not on the battlefield and not under its controller's control while it's phased out. (...)

and

# 302.6 - A creature's activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost can't be activated unless the creature has been under its controller's control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. A creature can't attack unless it has been under its controller's control continuously since his or her most recent turn began.(...)

Am I wrong?

PS. just use Stifle and Trickbind ;)

[cdr]

Am I wrong?

Yes, you misread - it's treated as though it's not under its controller's control while it's phased out, but otherwise it's been under its controller's control the entire time.

[Torgeist]

PS. just use Stifle and Trickbind ;)

Naturally I'm using stifle/trickbind, but the charm seems like a nice substitute for trickbind because it doubles as an answer to removal. Either way, thanks for the quick answers guys!

[jrsthethird]

I just want to point out that if something was summoning sick when it phased in, phasing creatures like Sandbar Crocodile would be absolutely terrible, since they would just be walls but only able to block every other turn. You need to avoid summoning sickness for the mechanic to make any sense whatsoever.

[jimirynk]

A creature loses summoning sickness when it goes through an untap step.
A phased out creature returns to play in the beginning of your untap phase.

[cdr]

A creature loses summoning sickness when it goes through an untap step.
A phased out creature returns to play in the beginning of your untap phase.

Actually, creatures "lose summoning sickness" (note that that's a colloquial term, not a rules term) at the beginning of your turn. This is before anything else, including creatures phasing in.

Under the pre-M10 phasing rules, phasing actually gave creatures haste since it needed to to work.

Now that the creature never actually leaves the battlefield, giving the creature haste is unnecessary.

[(nameless one)]

Now that the creature never actually leaves the battlefield, giving the creature haste is unnecessary.

This is a little off topic but:

So in EDH, if a general is phased out and the untap phase is skipped (because of Stasis or Sands of Time, does that mean that the general is just stucked out of phase and will not go back to the command zone since technically it did not leave the field?

[cdr]

So in EDH, if a general is phased out and the untap phase is skipped (because of Stasis or Sands of Time, does that mean that the general is just stucked out of phase and will not go back to the command zone since technically it did not leave the field?

Under old rules (where phased-out was a zone) or new rules (where phased-out is a status), if your untap is skipped, anything that's phased out will remain phased out until your next untap step.

I don't think you could ever avoid having your general phased out in EDH. Certainly skipping your untap would never have affected anything.

[yawg07]

I don't think you could ever avoid having your general phased out in EDH. Certainly skipping your untap would never have affected anything.

This is correct. Phasing was and is an interesting way to handle generals semi-permanently.

Also, I was pretty sure older versions of the rules stated that the creature phasing in was unaffected by summoning sickness.
Phasing in can happen other times, this card says so...

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/vi/46.jpg