Colorless answer to Progenitus, Iona?

[Star|Scream]

Aside from Disk?

Anything playable?

[Obfuscate Freely]

Meekstone?

The only other thing I can think of that answers both is Oblivion Stone.

[ykpon]

Ensnaring Bridge if you can win with Iona online.

[hi-val]

Arena of the Ancients, yo!

[Solaran_X]

The activation of Æther Spellbomb may not be colorless, but the casting of it is. All you need is one source of blue mana and you can bounce either of them.

[Rico Suave]

The activation of Æther Spellbomb may not be colorless, but the casting of it is. All you need is one source of blue mana and you can bounce either of them.

Protection from Everything prevents Progenitus from being targetted by anything, including the Spellbomb.

[Solaran_X]

Nevinyrral's Disk then?

[Anusien]

Karakas sees play in Classic as an answer to Iona.

[Mark Sun]

Karakas sees play in Classic as an answer to Iona.

+1. I'm testing Tolaria West + Karakas right now in Landstill and it surprisingly doesn't screw much with the course of the game (Tolaria West, to no surprise, still sucks ass).

The only thing that I have every used as a colorless answer to battle Progenitus is Disk, and that didn't come with good results. There hypothetically should be an answer in every color, no?



Edit: Did you think of Ensnaring Bridge for Progenitus?

[morgan_coke]

bone mask, general's regalia, nova pentacle, mourner's shield, pentagram of the ages, prahv, spires of order (sort of colorless), also, any and all circles/runes of prot. shut down prog., though only white handles iona as well.

Use caps please. Thanks. - zilla

[snorlaxcom]

Tabernacle

[chokin]

Plague Boiler lol.

Disk is much much much much much better though.

Tabernacle is good, but unreliable.

Ensnaring Bridge is second best.

[dahcmai]

If it wasn't so narrow, I would love the idea of Arena of the Ancients. Good call Hi Val. Makes me want to add one to my boards for the "WTF" factor.

[Tha Gunslinga]

Glacial Chasm.

[Nizmox]

Ensnaring Bridge is second best.

I think this is the best solution, though obviously doesn't beat Iona's ability.

Disk is good, but it's going to blow up some of your permanents too, unless you're playing something like landstill.

[Maveric78f]

Problem with Ensnaring bridge is that you'll fill up your hand if you can't play your spells... And eventually you'll have 7 unplayabale cards in hand and Iona is going to beat you down.

Arena of the Ancients is an awesome tech. As dahcmai said, the WTF factor is pretty much gg.

[jazzykat]

Maze of Ith can stop Iona, but not get rid of her. All this discussion

[Pneumatiker]

Same for good old Icy.

[Shugyosha]

I don't really see the need of a colorless answer to Progenitus unless of course you want a card that deals with Progenitus and Iona which is quite a lot to ask for.

I lost multiple times with control of an Iona due to Aether Vial (already out) and Umezawa's Jitte fueled counterattacks.

[Illissius]

Noetic Scales

[Enigma]

Noetic Scales

It's a nice find, seriously. And probably way less narrow than Arena of the ancients.

P-M

[Aggro_zombies]

It's a nice find, seriously. And probably way less narrow than Arena of the ancients.

P-M
And way slower, too. If your opponent had turn one Iona, you should be dead by the time you're able to cast it and pass the turn.

[Mark Sun]

And way slower, too. If your opponent had turn one Iona, you should be dead by the time you're able to cast it and pass the turn.

Sigh, time for these cards to dry up and appear again with a 300% markup. Huzzah!

But seriously, Noetic Scales is pretty hilarious, and a pretty cool find. Arena is something that might be used, as it's "on curve," but it's probably still more awkward than tutoring with Tolaria West (since I'm already assuming Enlightened Tutor will be shut down). To mess with Iona I still think Scales > Arena, as it frees you up to start casting stuff once again, but I don't know if 4cmc is worth it. Both are tech against Progenitus, though.

[luckme10]

I think I speak for everyone when I say, Sorrow's Path (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sorrow%27s%20path).

[Lothian]

Why bother with colorless stuff (although arena is quite sweet)

Innocent blood is pretty tech no?

With karakas also, that's should be enough to counter Iona in the first place.

If a guy has Iona AND Progenitus online, then... scoop !

Otherwise use the new super tech basilisk collar + ornithopter :P

[scrumdogg]

If you can splash black (i.e. not have it be primary enough to get Iona'd) you get Virtue's Ruin, which shanks 'em both. But having access to both B & W seems like the best overall path anyway if you expect a large amount of Progenitus & Iona.

[socialite]

Hibernation for Progenitus. Iona can be removed by everything I fail to see the problem unless you are playing mono color.

[Offler]

Progenitus and Iona can be both removed with disk or Oblivion stone. Quite common cards at least here...

I play monocolor, but iona can make trouble even for multicolored decks, mostly when the deck contain multicolored cards with the forbidden color. Colorless answer is bit safer.

[freakish777]

Iona can be removed by everything I fail to see the problem unless you are playing mono color.


The problem is aggro control decks with blue in them run Swords/Path but don't have removal in another color, so Iona on White is basically gg.



Also you guys all missed the most powerful colorless removal card ever printed Chaos Orb. You wanted Legacy legal cards? Oh...

[Malchar]

Engineered Explosives (http://deckbox.org/mtg/Engineered%20Explosives) + Energy Chamber (http://deckbox.org/mtg/Energy%20Chamber)

[Raystar]

I know that it isn't colorless, but wouldn't Tariff solve the issue?

[DrJones]

How about Extract? Single-handedly destroys progenitus, kiki-jiki, iona, flame-kin zealot, genesis, and maybe tendrils of agony.

[Offler]

Well i believe that the main question was to get rid of both cards from battlefield and colorless or else works any counterspell.

[KærvekTheMerciless]

It's not colorless but it's tech against both Iona and Progrenitus.


Anarchy.

[DrJones]

It's not colorless but it's tech against both Iona and Progrenitus.


Anarchy.As long as the Iona player doesn't say "red"

[Forbiddian]

Mycosynth Lattice. Optional: Anarchy afterward.

GG?

[Malchar]

For Iona, you can use 3x Ghostfire

[snorlaxcom]

powder keg

[(nameless one)]

Can't you Stifle Iona's effect as it is an ETB effect?

But ya, your best bet is to Extract them first out of the game.

[Mark Sun]

Can't you Stifle Iona's effect as it is an ETB effect?

But ya, your best bet is to Extract them first out of the game.

It's an "As ~ ETB..." effect, not a triggered ability, sadly.

[matelml]

Meekstone...

[sunshine]

Meekstone, Bridge, and Arena are all cute but they really don't save you from Iona. You may not be taking any more beats from the 7/7 flier but the fact that you're won't playing spells still leaves you in a hole.

Vesuvan Shapeshifter is colorless to play (morphed), but requires blue mana to flip. The legend rule nukes both Iona and Progenitus, since you're only "choosing" a creature in play rather than targeting one you can legally copy a Progenitus. It's not great, but it isn't dead in other MUs either.

[I+M DON]

@OP

It will help if you also tell us what deck you're playing. The answer to both may not need be colorless afterall.

[Pneumatiker]

Duplicant is a colorless answer to Iona.

[hi-val]

Duplicant is a colorless answer to Iona.

This is actually a pretty lucid answer.

Okay, it beats the tar outta my Arena of the Ancients...

Going from what Sunshine said, Clone is okay since it Legend-Rules people. The long and short of it is, though, if you don't want to play colored cards, you're mostly out of luck.

[Kangaxx]

Arena of the Ancients, yo!

Should be only playable in Stax though. Not sure if I want to pay 3 mana to handle one card in any other particular deck. Stax has alot of open SB slots too usually. A savage metagame call.

[IamPhil]

Speaking of... How about Smokestack?

[DrJones]

Isochron Scepter with Diabolic Edict imprinted.

[Maveric78f]

Isochron Scepter with Diabolic Edict imprinted.

You can't play Diabolic Edict off Scepter with Iona naming black.

[Kangaxx]

You can't play Diabolic Edict off Scepter with Iona naming black.

Yeah but you can kill Progenitus.

[xTrainx]

I think the Shapeshifter idea was the best mentioned. Vs progen, they probably natural order him out by like turn 2/3 - your shapeshifter should be down. Same with Iona.

Flip, gogo legend rule.

[Finn]

The entire purpose of the OP was to find an answer that can be counted on to hose both cards, and therefor not be terribly narrow. Technically, Noetic Scales accomplishes that. And frankly, it might even be useful for Landstill against stuff like Zoo and possibly even Aggro Loam. So I like it. Many of the responses in this thread are completely pointless, as they clearly do not do this.

And so I will now do the same.

@OP

It will help if you also tell us what deck you're playing. The answer to both may not need be colorless afterall.

I know that it isn't colorless, but wouldn't Tariff solve the issue?
I am reminded of Death and Taxes that plays 4x Karakas and 4x Aether Vial with fliers, equipment, Mangara, and Flickerwisp - basically a nightmare for modern Reanimator decks. Answers for Iona in the side are pretty much unnecessary. So they can focus on Progenitals with stuff like Tariff and Retribuion of the Meek.

[Fatestitcher]

Culling Scales ??

[DrHealex]

I just don understand how culling scales is any good versus EITHER of those, and the reason should be quite obvious.

IT TARGETS ITSELF EVERY TIME!

[Tacosnape]

I agree Noetic Scales is the best option here. This card gets better and better as the power creep of the format increases.

Other options would be Ensnaring Bridge, Nevinyrral's Disk, Oblivion Stone, Meekstone, Arena of the Ancients, pre-emptive Smokestack, Plague Boiler (...), The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale in some weird universe where they don't have any land, Glacial Chasm, and my personal favorite, Darksteel Gargoyle + Worldslayer.

[Thor]

I think all the colorless ones have been mentioned. If we are going into colors, um...Evacuation or Curfew?

[(nameless one)]

If you're running Goblins, Gempalm Incinerator is a nice answer for Iona, given that you have a Vial online. But if you have a Vial online anyways, why not just drop Stingscourger?

[snorlaxcom]

Hibernation or perish for Prog. and Grave Peril or seal of doom for Iona(also hits white Akroma)? Iona seems difficult to remove if she shuts down your removal(unless you tutor for Stingscourger or have lots of Gobs for Incinerator).

[Goaswerfraiejen]

seal of doom for Iona(also hits white Akroma)?

Uh, wait. Doesn't Akroma have protection from black?

[morgan_coke]

Shield of the Pariah.

It's not a good answer, but it buys at least one turn and it's colorless. And if you've got a creature generator then it pretty much is an answer.

[whienot]

My necrotic apologies, but I just been owned by this card:

Staff of Domination (http://deckbox.org/mtg/Staff%20of%20Domination)

I had turn 2/3 Iona both games. Tapping down my guy while swinging with a Llanowar Elf and Wirewood symbiote won the match.

It's no answer to Progenitus, but damn.