[Discussion] VoroshStill vs Its the Fear

[Nihil Credo]

* Or 3 EE / 0 C&P, up to you. C&P is nice with Counterbalance when you want to stop, uh, a hardcast Djinn Illuminatus?

C/P on top of your library actually counters FoW and Tarmogoyf. Counterbalance asks "Is its CMC equal to X?", not "What is its CMC?", so it gets a yes/no answer instead of "5 and 2".

[Bardo]

C/P on top of your library actually counters FoW and Tarmogoyf. Counterbalance asks "Is its CMC equal to X?", not "What is its CMC?", so it gets a yes/no answer instead of "5 and 2".

Oh, that's awesome then. I was confusing the split cards CMC with life loss from Confidant.

[Bardo]

Snipped and moved all of the split card rules posts over to the rules forum. Here:


http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=10575

[HSCK]

Would any of you consider the new deck in the latest Anusien article as "The Fear", if so I think it radically changes the view of the matchup because of its reslience and the ability to finish after a single Intuition

[Bardo]

I don't think so, it's a beast unto its own. One thing I'm certain: this deck looks awesome.

http://www.starcitygames.com/php/new...cle/16217.html

For reference (reformatted):

Some Crazy Intuition Control Deck
by Anusien, et al.

4 Brainstorm
3 Intuition
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Life from the Loam

4 Force of Will
3 Counterbalance

4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Collective Restraint
1 Engineered Explosives

4 Tarmogoyf
3 Demigod of Revenge

4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
4 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
2 Tundra
2 Island
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Academy Ruins

Looks hot. Dunno about some of the card choices (e.g. Collective Restraint, Gifts), but I love the idea.

[Anusien]

Would any of you consider the new deck in the latest Anusien article as "The Fear", if so I think it radically changes the view of the matchup because of its reslience and the ability to finish after a single Intuition

Interestingly I derived it from Vorosh. If you consider the difference between ITF and Vorosh as Intuition vs Standstill, then this is in the vein of ITF more than Vorosh. If people think it's its own beast, I'll start a new thread.

[HammafistRoob]

Do it up

[Tenant_Tron]

Good luck casting those Demigods with 6 lands in the deck that tap for R or B. Seriously, I know you have LFTL, but this still seems very hard to pull off to me...

T.T

[Anusien]

Good luck casting those Demigods with 6 lands in the deck that tap for R or B. Seriously, I know you have LFTL, but this still seems very hard to pull off to me...

T.T

Intuition for Life from the Loam, Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth, Volrath's Stronghold. Done. I'll be busy bashing with Tarmogoyfs until they put a stop to that plan (StP?) by which point I'll have either just found a Demigod or two naturally, or I'll have found an Intuition. Just naturally drawing Demigod is fine if people don't know how the triggers work, and drawing two is kind of hilarious. Probably the most awesome situation in the world would be to dredge one up with one in your hand!

Edit: sideboard Magus of the Moon is a reasonable plan B.

[HSCK]

@Anusien: It depends on how you look at the deck, if you use the Goyfs and board control gradually and finish off with an Intuition for the win it is definitely ITF. However, if you look at all those things as mere combo enablers, I think it takes the deck in a very different direction. As you mentioned above you want to beat with Goyfs and absorb STPs until you can safely finish things off. On the other hand, you can go for break neck Counterbalance set up only and quickly go for a combination of Intuitions to just win keeping a 1CC card on the top while letting yourself get pounded. For example: Instead of early game Deed you simply go for Intuition.

[Bardo]

Anusien - Please start a new thread to talk about the Intution/Demigod deck in N&D.

Everyone else - If you want to talk about that deck, do it in the new thread.

Grazi.

[Anusien]

What sort of discussion is this thread for, anyway?

[Bardo]

Apparently, VoroshStill (Standstill) and ITF (Intuition). If you think the decklist above is appropriate here, that's fine. It just seemed that discussion about the Demigod deck might be better served in its own thread. I don't feel strongly on the topic, so whatever works.