edit: put this here to go with the rules changes threads, maybe belongs in community?
heres the thread on MTG Salvation http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showt...56#post3999656
Originally Posted by the announcement itself
?? This is such a crock. Has any one here been confused by mana burn? Ever?
I was told about it the first time I ever played the game, and I understood it with no problem. If you overpay mana, you take 1 damage for each. Too simple. Who has ever complained about this?
That's already the case right now; I've seen this question asked several times on WoTC's site. So what is the change?Related to this, there are new guidelines on acceptable card modifications, and we're not going to worry as much about minor strategic information. If a player has altered a Tinker to show a Darksteel Colossus emerging, or written "Smash with Me!" on a Goblin Piledriver, odds are fairly high that they didn't need the help in game. Obviously, writing out ste-by-step combo guides on cards is still out, and the Head Judge has ultimate authority over where the line is.
Sweet, the order of the graveyard could be shuffled and mangled as we please ^_^
Read it again mate, doesnt effect us, only post Urza's Saga, so Extended and Standard, we still have to follow the order.As a result, as long as they're playing in formats with cards from Urza's Saga and on, we no longer care how the players order their graveyard.
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All of these changes make sense.
Don't make this a thread about mana burn.
The modification rule is awesome. I know a couple of my friends that had their cards nicely altered (Captain America on Decree of Justice, the Powerpuff Girls for Brawn, Anger, and Wonder, etc). And it was always up to the discretion of the head judge, as they technically aren't legal. But now, they should be fine (of course, the cards themselves still can't be too thick, etc, as to not to be considered as marked cards). It's a good chance to showcase some of these pimped out cards (I personally think tastefully altered cards are way pimper than some random asian foreign language cards) without getting penalized.
Wait wait wait. So say I am playing some obscur deck, but this deck had been posted on the source. After game 1 my opponent has no idea what I am playing, does a quick search of the source on his iphone and gets the list? What if he didn't really get to see how the deck worked game 1 and now knows exactly what to expect? What if he sees something in the board that he needs to prepare for or play around? How is this not absolutly rediculous?
Also a player can talk with his teammates about the best sideboard stratagy? What if that teammate was standing behind is opponent last game, he's allowed to tell him cards in his opponents hand the player never got to see? Absurd.
This reminds me of the time a judge misunderstood a player and told him it was ok to have outside notes. At the end of game 1, he told me he had no idea what I was playing, flipped opened his notebook, found my list and a sideboard stratagy against my deck and proceded to crush me with it. Somehow this seemed less than fair.
So my conclusion is that this post must clearly be a fake post because i cannot fathom that they would possibly make this change.
There's probably a limit to what constitutes "outside notes." The thing with the teammates sounds suspiciously like coaching, or whatever the legalese term for it is. The other scenario is plausible, but it seems like the obvious response would be simply to say that you can only use notes you had with you at the beginning of the tournament. Of course, that won't stop some retard from writing down a board plan for every list he can find, but hopefully it will stop the worst offenses.
There must also be a time limit on these. How quickly is your opponent going to be able to find your exact list using his iPhone, especially if you don't tell him your forum handle? He'll need to get to the Source, then do a search for the key cards he saw game one, then wade through piles of junk to figure out what you're playing. That doesn't seem very fast.
I doubt that you can do that within the 3 minutes time limit (including boarding itself and shuffling). But the problem is to enforce the three minute time limit. In the years of tournament magic I played, only one Judge reminded me once that the limit is three minutes because boarding was difficult and that was at a legacy champs tournament (REL competetive I think). Never witnessed it again.
No, I think this is still outside assistance but clever friends can just silently pick up your oponents board and shuflle the cards in front they think are good.
I also played a fair share of tournaments in foreign countries and its always a problem when a friend talks to your opponent between games in a language you don't understand. So this seems to be allowed now and you have absolutely no way to know if the friend tells your opponent what cards you had in your hand or you already boarded (game 3).
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Wait, so I'm allowed to take with me the tome DIY: Doomsday stacks, what to use, when to use, how to use and take it from my deckbox right after my doomsday resolved?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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The one that concerns me is #6. I am thinking that if my opponent in the finals is playing plenty of mana denial, I might just lose a couple cards mysteriously before the match.
Apparently, it is now legal to alter your deck during the tournament. How does this make more sense than proxies?
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You're only allowed to consult notes between games and you're limited to one or two sheets of preprinted material. You're still eligible for slow play infractions, and electronic materials have always been disallowable per the Head Judge's discretion.
@quicksilver: I strongly doubt it will be okay for any outsider to write notes and present them to the player. From the MTR:
The documents are up; I suggest you all read the MTR.Between games, players may refer to a brief set of notes made before the match. These notes must be removed from the play area before the beginning of the next game. Excessive quantities of notes – more than a sheet or two - are not allowed and may be penalized as slow play.
Finn actually brought up a point that I was thinking about. You're in Top 8 and you're playing some kind of land light deck against Eva Green/Team America. You "lose" some of the cards that are bad in that matchup (whatever they may be), and tell the judge. You then replace them with basic lands? That seems like it might be almost helpful (I say almost because it still means you're playing basic lands). It's kind of like boarding, but as if your sideboard was terrible.
Still, while probably not huge, it seems kind of odd.
For the foreseeable future, expect to see less of me. I've lost my internet connection, and so I'll only be able to get on by siphoning free Wi-Fi from the surrounding areas. Which isn't always consistent.
Plus, the guy that I used to leech off of has now instituted password protection. This means that I effectively do not have internet at home. :(
But assuming you win that match, you are stuck with those extra basic lands...they said the new basic land filled deck gets "locked in". So you can't lose your dead cards and find them again after the match.
"If my friend looks through my limited sideboard and shuffles a couple cards I might want to play to the top, is that Outside Assistance?"
So they want to change this rule to make this legal. They are clearly validating having someone else help you.
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